榮總死胎案》黃婦：北榮不聞問 我只要真相

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2015年05月19日 04:10 陳瑄喻／台北報導

榮總死胎案外界批評聲浪四起，甚至有醫師暗指她是為了錢、開高價才出面控訴醫師，黃姓產婦昨再度出面解釋，北榮迄今對她持續毫無聞問，自己意外失去孩子，想要的是真相及公道，錢真的不是她的重點，現在外界對她千夫所指，「我才剛失去一個孩子，現在網友也要再賠出一條命嗎？」

羅東聖母醫院醫師柳林瑋在臉書上指出，黃婦向北榮開價2000萬元賠償，讓北榮同仁覺得不可思議，暗指她只是利用女兒的死換取高價賠償。

黃婦則回應，她對北榮處理女兒遺體的方式無法接受，向榮總反映卻不理不睬，上周三北榮才有位江姓社工與她聯絡，社工問她希望怎麼賠償、開個數字，她詢問律師朋友後，認為這種誇張的情況應求償2000萬元，她才對這位社工提及「律師說要2000萬」，但她認為這非正式協調會，何以當真？

「我一毛錢都不要，你們還我一個小孩就好。」黃婦說，過去她產檢時孩子都無異狀，6日接受產檢時，操作超音波的護理人員也突然停下來，甚至還呼叫另一名護士進來看，之後陳醫師沒有點開電腦檔，僅憑她手上的照片就說沒有問題，「難道我不能質疑陳醫師產檢輕忽嗎？」

黃婦激動指出，院方放話說她「沒胎動兩天才發現」，但她是9日早上起床就發現小孩不動，打電話到北榮產房詢問，對方問她這兩天小孩有動嗎？她回說「不太動」，卻被扭曲成「不胎動」，用這種資訊在網路上發動網軍攻擊她，對她來說公平嗎？

至於柳林瑋在臉書上直指黃婦是造成北榮婦產科醫師陳志堯請辭原因，最後查證才發現陳醫師3月就提辭呈，跟黃婦無關，外界質疑身為受矚目的公眾人物，未來發布各項訊息是否需要再做查證？ 柳林瑋則回應，「我不是記者，或是立委，無法進行查證，如果有疏漏的地方，會在事後再進行補正，或是道歉。」

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求償2000萬元是律師建議的??? (咦)

[514]

真相?誠意?

[ALTON502]

要錢是社工和律師教的?

笑屎人了.....

上帝或媽祖教牠包個兩千萬的答謝禮給辛苦照顧他這個妊娠高血壓,體重極度過重及糖尿病的醫護人員,不知道她願不願意

[Rebecca]

所以 請問兩千萬是不是真相？哪一個律師建議的可以公佈嗎？如果連兩千萬都可以用氣話當理由，那以後恐嚇取財的人都可以說
喔！那是氣話.... (打小人)

[DR.5]

婦產科醫師也不是神
要真相?
去問神吧

[WINDOW]

要真相不是早該大體解剖才有機會 (咦)

[image]

哪個律師?最好是講出來讓大家去問問看....

[DrHead]

記得媽媽說她只要小孩回來

事實是達不到，全世界沒人做得到

可以結束了嗎?

[k4210]

真相一直都在那，看案主自己要不要去接受囉。

[jeffery]

要真相不是早該大體解剖才有機會 (咦)

+1 請送解剖 搞不好先fetal stroke or dead 呢?
連這也要灰 人心不古阿 (打小人) (怒火中燒)

[forester]

胎死腹中的真相
絕大部分



只有上帝知道

[Einstein]

自己是護理人員，難道不知道，胎死腹中有時是多重因素疊加起來的後果，非單一因素，甚至原因不明，連醫師或目前的醫學界也不會知道！

[jeffery]

Angry! 三十七周半的小孩死掉可以賴到醫生頭上真是匪夷所思！在家裡自己等兩天沒有胎動居然還可以找不分非專業的民意代表來當魔鬼代言人！幸好台灣醫師們沒有坐視同胞被欺負張景中醫師也出來仗義直言！從遺傳學醫生的立場我倒是要問？臍繞頸如此常見為什麼這個孩子就會被勒死？是不是該請遺傳學醫生來看看或者應該做一個解剖！有沒有可能小孩子先中風，（intrauterine stroke 還蠻常見的）， 所以不動， decreased fetal movement, 然後沒有辦法讓自己解套？大部分的fetus 都會自己解套。還有一些小孩有遺傳病特別容易fetal distress. 天使人症候群的小孩得到過幾百萬美金賠償！這些都是不對！醫生是無辜的！我都不知道做過幾次專家證人了！如果不甘心小孩被放在塑膠袋那就送到病理科做完整的autopsy 吧！至少下一胎可以避免，如果真的有遺傳問題的話！

這是偶大學同學 現在美國某醫院當主任在FB上所說

[cwhung]

這個CASE
讓大家清楚看到: 醫鬧的SOP
-> 民代, 律師, 媒體, AND勒索 (就差黑道還沒進來)

試問
醫糾法如果通過
醫師還有寧日嗎?

[hsu]

生產的危險性跟不可預測
除婦產科醫師外
大概就兒科醫師最了解了
產房叫小兒科醫師去做新生兒急救可不是少見
許多根本都沒有先兆的

[azurezeiss]

小孩走了，

媽媽想知道真相、會失望生氣，人之常情。

但台灣社會風氣會變成醫療攔截失敗，就會想要告醫師，

因為成本最低。

官方沒有法令平衡病人濫訴，已經很失職了，還弄個醫糾法？

我不相信整個衛服部沒有腦袋清楚、站在醫界立場的官員，

政治考量（討好選民）才是主要唯一推手。

台灣醫界真的要認真實行罷工，
事實是已經退無死所。
政策轉向成功了，病人醫師都輕鬆。
真的失敗，也可以讓政府人民知道，台灣醫師不能予取予求。

[yoshi100]

千萬不要來當志工了。

[DXE19]

姚大立委facebook有公布黃婦的護理師執照
名字很清楚
我趕緊寫下來壓在桌墊下
提醒自己

[hjh]

真的很敢講
「我一毛錢都不要，你們還我一個小孩就好。」
叫誰還啊？
叫醫院還？
還是叫老天爺還？
誰欠你一個小孩？
就好？

真的很敢講
兩千萬是氣話？
如果榮總要給兩千萬，當事人會說這只是氣話，婉拒掉？
還是「勉為其難」的收下來？
這氣話未免也太過逼真了？很像真話耶
還找兩個民代開記者會灌媒體版面
這叫做氣話？

[image]

真的很敢講
「我一毛錢都不要，你們還我一個小孩就好。」
叫誰還啊？
叫醫院還？
還是叫老天爺還？
誰欠你一個小孩？
就好？

真的很敢講
兩千萬是氣話？
如果榮總要給兩千萬，當事人會說這只是氣話，婉拒掉？
還是「勉為其難」的收下來？
這氣話未免也太過逼真了？很像真話耶
還找兩個民代開記者會灌媒體版面
這叫做氣話？

「我一毛錢都不要，你們還我一個小孩就好。」............小孩兩個字可以帶入任何三等親......等醫糾法過就知道了

[a974826]

一個真相各自表述。

[旺大]

小孩走了，

媽媽想知道真相、會失望生氣，人之常情。

但台灣社會風氣會變成醫療攔截失敗，就會想要告醫師，

因為成本最低。

官方沒有法令平衡病人濫訴，已經很失職了，還弄個醫糾法？

我不相信整個衛服部沒有腦袋清楚、站在醫界立場的官員，

政治考量（討好選民）才是主要唯一推手。

台灣醫界真的要認真實行罷工，
事實是已經退無死所。
政策轉向成功了，病人醫師都輕鬆。
真的失敗，也可以讓政府人民知道，台灣醫師不能予取予求。

看看新加坡的法官
真是英明睿智阿！
一句話結論：脊椎手術後病患控告醫師索賠，法官認為求償無理，判原告賠醫師和醫院所有法律相關費用，共賠新加坡幣54萬元，約合新台幣1246萬元。

http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/p ... erated-him
Sunday, Mar 30, 2014
The Straits Times
By Selina Lum
SINGAPORE - A 53-year-old man who remained paralysed from the waist down because of a slipped disc, even after he had it operated on at the Singapore General Hospital (SGH) in 2007, is suing the hospital and the orthopaedic surgeon who operated on him.
Mr Andrew Chua, now a part-time law firm assistant, arrived in court on Thursday in a wheelchair, and is seeking about $1 million for future loss of earnings and medical expenses, among other things. He used to be a manager in a law firm.
Mr Chua alleges that Dr Yue Wai Mun did not tell him his prognosis was poor and also that the surgeon was wrong to have carried out the surgery from the back and side instead of from the front.
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His contention is the front approach would have given greater access to the part of the disc that was pressing on his spinal cord and had to be removed.
But Dr Yue, 46, and SGH contend that the senior consultant had explained the operation to the patient and had properly carried out the surgery.
On the morning of April 20, 2007, Mr Chua felt back pains and collapsed on his way to a doctor. He could not feel or move from the waist down.
The father of two was taken by ambulance to SGH, where a magnetic resonance imaging scan showed he had a slipped disc that was pressing on his spinal cord. Dr Yue performed a 21/2-hour operation that night to remove the compression on the spinal cord, but Mr Chua remained unable to move or feel his legs.
He decided to seek a second opinion and on May 8, transferred to Gleneagles Hospital, where he had a second operation. His condition did not improve.
A main point of contention in the case is what transpired when Dr Yue met Mr Chua at his SGH ward before the surgery. Mr Chua says Dr Yue did not tell him and his wife, who was also there, that the prognosis was poor, even with surgery.
He testified on Thursday he was under the impression that his condition was not "a catastrophe" or "beyond hope" as he had friends who had recovered well from slipped discs. He said Dr Yue did not tell him otherwise, and that he should also have presented both surgical approaches for him to decide.
Mr Chua said he was shocked to learn from Dr Yue, four days after his operation, that his case was rare, and the one other patient the surgeon had seen still needed crutches a year after surgery.
Dr Yue has a different recollection. He says Mr Chua's wife was not present and that he had explained the operation as well as told Mr Chua about the poor prognosis even with surgery.
Mr Chua's lawyer, Mr Ramasamy K. Chettiar, argued that Dr Yue's failure to tell his patient about the alternative approach deprived him of the right to make an informed choice, and resulted in him remaining a paraplegic.
However, Dr Yue, represented by Mr Lek Siang Pheng, will call two spine doctors as experts to testify that his surgical approach was appropriate.
SGH, represented by Ms Kuah Boon Theng, contends that Mr Chua's disability was not caused by any negligence by its medical team but because he was already severely injured when he arrived at the hospital. The hearing continues.
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Man to pay SGH and surgeon S$540,000 for failed negligence suit
TODAY reports: Mr Andrew Chua filed a suit when his condition did not improve after Dr Yue Wai Mun operated on his acute slipped disc in 2007.

By Kelly Ng, TODAY
POSTED: 14 May 2015 14:48 UPDATED: 14 May 2015 15:11

SINGAPORE: A man who failed in his lawsuit against the Singapore General Hospital (SGH) and one of its orthopaedic surgeons was ordered to pay each of the defendants S$270,000 in legal costs on Thursday (May 14).

Mr Andrew Chua must also pay fees for disbursements and an assessor, whom the High Court specially appointed to hear the case.

Mr Chua, 54, had undergone a spine surgery performed by Dr Yue Wai Mun in 2007 after suffering an acute slipped disc that left him paralysed. When his condition did not improve after the operation, he filed a suit in October 2012 against Dr Yue and the hospital, claiming negligence.

Among other things, he claimed that Dr Yue was wrong to have operated on him from the back and had failed to order an MRI scan immediately after the surgery. Mr Chua alleged that these factors impeded his recovery.

High Court Judge Woo Bih Li dismissed the suit and said that the “many shifts” in Mr Chua’s case throughout the trial had “damaged his claim beyond repair”. In a written judgment released last week, the judge also criticised two expert witnesses called by Mr Chua, describing their testimonies as illogical and unconvincing.

“Andrew appears convinced that his condition would have improved if not for the negligence of Dr Yue. Ironically...it may well be that if it were not for Dr Yue’s surgery, Andrew would not even have improved to his present condition,” said the judge.

Dr Yue’s lawyer Lek Siang Pheng said the judge’s cost assessment was in line with the range they had requested.

TODAY understands that this is the first time the High Court had appointed an assessor — Dr Yu Chun Sing, a senior consultant from Tan Tock Seng Hospital’s Department of Orthopaedic Surgery — to hear a medical-related case.



Read the original TODAY report here.

-TODAY/ct

[Ali-aa]

!!台灣醫界真的要認真實行罷工，
事實是已經退無死所。
政策轉向成功了，病人醫師都輕鬆。
真的失敗，也可以讓政府人民知道，台灣醫師不能予取予求。!!

[Felix]

如果是審查醫師與健保局聯手的亂砍亂刪放大,致使臨床醫師不敢多做檢查多做治療.而衍生出醫糾
審查醫師與健保局都不用負責嘛? (咦)
審查醫師匿名
健保局推給審查醫師
兩者都是沒爛趴
這2000萬至少審查醫師與健保局要負責1000萬,才符合公平正義

[medicchi]

小孩走了，

媽媽想知道真相、會失望生氣，人之常情。

但台灣社會風氣會變成醫療攔截失敗，就會想要告醫師，

因為成本最低。

官方沒有法令平衡病人濫訴，已經很失職了，還弄個醫糾法？

我不相信整個衛服部沒有腦袋清楚、站在醫界立場的官員，

政治考量（討好選民）才是主要唯一推手。

台灣醫界真的要認真實行罷工，
事實是已經退無死所。
政策轉向成功了，病人醫師都輕鬆。
真的失敗，也可以讓政府人民知道，台灣醫師不能予取予求。

醫糾法？應該改稱醫鬧法？

[hjh]

如果是審查醫師與健保局聯手的亂砍亂刪放大,致使臨床醫師不敢多做檢查多做治療.而衍生出醫糾
審查醫師與健保局都不用負責嘛?

當然不用負責
人家是審要不要支付
完全在講錢
不是在講醫理
他說他可以不付
沒說你可以不給
比如 MRI negative finding..... 那你自宮吧
被刪之後下次就不給 MRI? 結果被告到家產散盡? 那你自盡吧
(不要啊)

[Felix]

如果是審查醫師與健保局聯手的亂砍亂刪放大,致使臨床醫師不敢多做檢查多做治療.而衍生出醫糾
審查醫師與健保局都不用負責嘛?

當然不用負責
人家是審要不要支付
完全在講錢
不是在講醫理
他說他可以不付
沒說你可以不給
比如 MRI negative finding..... 那你自宮吧
被刪之後下次就不給 MRI? 結果被告到家產散盡? 那你自盡吧
(不要啊)

一旦發生醫糾
如果與"審查醫師與健保局聯手的亂砍亂刪放大"相關
反正都要請律師訴訟了
一併也把審查醫師與健保局給告下去(可審查醫師匿名怎告?)
請它去跟法官說清楚

[hjh]

一旦發生醫糾
如果與"審查醫師與健保局聯手的亂砍亂刪放大"相關
反正都要請律師訴訟了
一併也把審查醫師與健保局給告下去(可審查醫師匿名怎告?)
請它去跟法官說清楚

如果這個社會充滿公理正義
的確是該這樣做
屎做庸者 就是 GBS
怎能不拖他下水

但一般律師不會建議被告醫師這樣做
通常會建議被告醫師主張自己已注意應注意能注意的部分
而不是主張當時有想到要給但因限於健保支付所以就沒給
後者肯定會被法官判刑/罰金
（無盡漩渦）


所以 GBS 躲在後面真的是呈現無敵狀態
「如果」醫糾法真的需要錢
本來就該 GBS 另編總額來負擔
醫奴們已經在前線無償幫他們擋掉太多事情了！
對醫奴加稅根本一點道理都沒有

[mowball]

要真象第一步是送病理解剖

家屬真的是這麼想?

[Alex]

http://health.businessweekly.com.tw/AAr ... 025444&p=1
「身為醫師，但我也曾想怪過產檢醫師...」親身經歷流產之痛，一個女醫師的告白